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In Defense of The God Makers

So many hundreds of thousands of copies out there,  in book form, 16mm film, VHS, BETA  copies and now untold DVDs in many languages spread out throughout the world.  You can even get a copy of the book now for your Kindle at Amazon.com.

The book has been revised and updated so that even the latest changes in the unchangeable LDS gospel are included. 

Few books have maintained as active a presence in the market for almost 30 years as has the God Makers.

The animation portion  alone has been viewed by over ten million people across the globe, if the counters on the many internet video clip sites are accurate. We stopped counting over a year ago.

Let me give you a little history. When Dave Hunt and I wrote the book, its release followed several years of intense research, not only by us, but by a team of researchers at Harvest House Publishers.  I think we counted over 1400 separate references in the book.

Once it was complete, it was then reviewed by a law firm, looking for any and every line of type that may lead to a legal challenge, based on a myriad list of laws   that pertain to publishing works critical of people and organizations.

Once it had passed all these pre-publication processes and was signed off by those in charge of each review step, it was finally printed and released.  It immediately rose to the level of best-seller in the Christian market and stayed there for the better part of the first few years.

When the film, The God Makers, came out it was being shown across the country at more than a thousand venues a month, packed wall to wall with people intent on seeing the hidden doctrines of the LDS Church. 

In those venues many Mormons also came and during the question and answer part of the program that followed every showing, many of the same charges were brought against the film and against me, personally. Oddly, the integrity of Dave Hunt was rarely impugned. I was always the  traitor to the faith, the son of perdition.

In those times when I am cursed at, spit on and lied about, accused of vile and  evil things, I often thought of the words of the great evangelist, Billy Sunday, when he talked those who cursed his bold stand against sin.

“I’ve stood for more sneers and scoffs and insults and had my life threatened from one end of the land to the other by this God-forsaken gang of thugs and cutthroats because I have come out uncompromisingly against them..”

Another time he said, “ I’m against sin. I’ll kick it as long as I’ve got a foot, and I’ll fight it as long as I’ve got a fist. I’ll butt it as long as I’ve got a head. I’ll bite it as long as I’ve got a tooth. And when I’m old and fist-less and footless and toothless, I’ll gum it till I go home to glory and it goes homer to perdition.”  Billy Sunday

Now let me get a bit specific.  To those who say that the God Makers is full of lies, half truths, misrepresentations of LDS theology,  actually give an a real, documented example.

Even when the National Conference of Christians and Jews [NCCJ] came out and called it religious pornography [we agreed: it was our disclosure of actual LDS doctrine to which they were referring.] they had much to say, but no substance.

We contacted them and discovered there were no actual born-again Christians or orthodox Jews on the study, but there were several Mormons and a Buddhist was thrown on, as well.

They had never contacted us, asked us for a single piece of documentation and when we were finally tracked down a few of the ‘panel’ members, they had not even seen the film.

We challenged them to meet with us and give us their best “false statement or half-truth’ and they came up silent and empty.

I give you the same challenge here-in.  Stop the prattle and speak substance. I grow weary of such foolishness.  You can’t speak “The God Makers” into being a lie. You have to prove it.

In 30 years, I have defended the God Makers publicly and privately, on radio, TV, in the written word and by the spoken word.   I am still here and so is the God Makers, still going strong, still reaching across that  Mormon barrier of cult thinking and people find the truth and the real Jesus Christ. The real soul freeing gospel He brought us. The real salvation He gave us on the cross.

Cult Think

I  sponsor  a group on Facebook called Christian Apologetics.  A lot of things are discussed there, but Mormonism takes a front row seat.

Recently several Mormons have been responding to articles I post and literally all but bury the site in laborious, cookie cutter LDS responses..   I am sure they mean well, but it gets to be a frustration dealing with them.

I write an article; they respond with an often lengthy, Mormon exhortation. Usually they say that I don’t understand Mormonism, I lie, I misrepresent their doctrines or actions and go on to give a candy coated look at the only true church, knowing that many people are reading what they say.

I respond to their post, giving them answers and facts to support my original premise and they respond back, ignoring  my evidence, brushing me off as an angry ex-Mormon who couldn’t live the gospel  and other responders as naive Christians who never understood Mormonism and then the Mormons go off on another tangent.

On one topic recently, I finally just deleted the entire topic, just to cut off their supple line for prattle.  It was going nowhere.

I have been thinking about this phenomenon for the last day or so and recalled a teaching  I did over 20 years ago. I wish I still had the notes. If I do, they are buried in the many notes I kept over the years, a significant sum that I hope to someday sort through. Sort of like the closet full of boxes filled with  photos we will probably never sort through, either.

The frustration comes from trying to deal with what I call Cult Think.

Cult Think is the way cult members process data.

Data from the cult itself, in the form of sermons, teachings, books, manuals, rules, regulations, tests of worthiness go straight in.. direct access.

It is not weighed and measured. For example, Mormons have been taught that when the leaders speak, the thinking is done. To question or study a thing out with outside resources is to invite apostasy and the loss of one’s testimony.

Often a Biblical scripture taken outside of context is to accepted as evidence of some  truth the cult’s leader may be expounding on, even though the Biblical context is opposite its use.  Many of my website articles are filled with such examples.

The Mormon leaders say that God is an exalted man and that worthy Mormons can attain their own godhood. The faithful Mormon accepts that as eternal truth, even though the Bible refutes that in a several dozen clear scriptures. There is no study or searching out the scriptures. You have to wonder  that the Mormon accepts this premise blindly; even the Book of Mormon denies that doctrine.

Now, on the other hand , any data from a former member or a concerned Christian; a caring family member or neighbor is received as an attack on the faith and is filtered through a  thick wall of defense.

The Mormon or other cult member believes in their heart that the giver of the data left the cult/church to live a life in sin, couldn’t live up to the laws and ordinances of the cult gospel; is making money saying these evil things, hates the cult/ Mormons, is lying about it, manipulating scripture to cause them to lose their testimony.

The result is that just a fraction of the data penetrates the wall.  When enough is said or read to actually break through the wall, the Mormon or other cult member immediately goes to bearing one’s testimony of the truthfulness of the cult or its leader or prophet or doctrine.

When this hypnotic/trance like testimony is over, the wall is back up and in place, the data giver is back to square one.

Once I was asked by a pastor to be at his side when he met with a Mormon couple and their bishop, to discuss why he allowed their LDS daughter to go forward at an altar call in his church. They were furious.  When the bishop saw that I was sitting with the pastor, they put the meeting on hold until two men with higher ranking than bishop could attend.

When one of the new arrivals was stunned that he did not have answer to a question that  I had asked, he immediately went into testimony mode. 

As he got to the “…  and I believe the Book of Mormon is the Word of God…”, I noticed from across the small desk that his eyes had fully dilated.  He was in a hypnotic state! 

I loudly smacked my hands together   right in front of his face and loudly proclaimed, “The Book of Mormon cannot be true..”

He sat there in a silent daze and did not open his mouth again for the rest of the meeting..  He was literally bewildered.  

My point is: Realize that you are dealing with Cult Think when you witness.   Watch for it,  work around it and  keep poking those holes.    Those walls do come down through prayer, love and persistence.

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Ed Decker

The Mormon Art of Child Stealing

Ed Decker

A number of years ago. I was asked by a local pastor to met with him and a troubled family. The daughter was in high school and dating a good looking Mormon boy. Her baptism in the church was the following Saturday.

I met with him, the girl and her parents for over two hours.  The girl was a bit over-weight and not very attractive.  It was easy to see why she was drawn to both the boy and the Church he was bringing her into.

She had been raised in the family’s church and had been an active part of the youth program until the Mormon Conversion by dating plan had struck her down.

In the end, no matter her parents’ and pastor’s pleading and my logical reasons for why a young Christian girl should not become a Mormon, she said that she was going to be baptized no matter what any of us said.

Her next words have stayed with me for almost 25 years. She said, “Look at me. No one has ever paid me attention in school. No one else has ever dated me, shown me love and caring like he has. He is beautiful in every way. I don’t care if I follow him to hell when I die, I am going with him.”

I recently received an email from a family that brought this all back to mind. Attached was a series of emails dealing with the blatant theft of their daughter by a young man about to eave for his mission.

Not only did their daughter join the church and be baptized without their knowledge, she hid away the  truth about his Mormonism and  when he left for his mission, he and his parents convinced her to move out of her parents’ home and live  with them, basically holding her spiritually hostage  awaiting the son’s return and a supposed temple wedding.

I grieve over this. It’s a story I have heard a thousand times over. I told her dad this:

Regarding  your note and the attachment, I have read  through the many emails and the battle you have fought over Amanda and have to say, my heart is broken with yours.  I have been dealing with this child  stealing for over 30 years and the stories are almost the same in every case.  Sometimes it is also a young man, infatuated with some LDS girl and the attention and love bombing..

The Mormons call it conversion by dating and actually encourage their young people to seek out non-members to date. Even young kids in Primary are used by eager parents to invite neighborhood and school friends to events and parties, to lure their families into a mood for missionary visits.

In many cases, within months of conversion, especially in high school, the Mormon moves on to the next ‘dating’  conversion and the new LDS teenager is on her own.

The vilest part of this child stealing is when they secretly baptize the child, and if the parents complain, offer their home as sanctuary away from such ‘unloving’ parents.

The arrogance of their position is the clearest evidence of their ungodliness. ….

Again, I grieve with you.

I have noted that in many cases like this, the stolen child usually leaves the LDS church within  a year’s time and the parents need to be alert to that possibility. The odds are much  less if she is tied to “missionary’ love and lives with his family..  

The average Mormon kid, trained up to be confident and outgoing is usually any parent’s dream. Those who have followed the church teachings and are true believers are like wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are usually well-mannered, clean cut, charming and very respectful to the date’s family.

The canine teeth are tucked way back and before you can shout, “Wait!” Your kid is stolen right out from under your watchful eyes.

Christian parents and youth pastors need to build a wall of protection from these ravening wolves that prey upon your children. Most good Christian kids are not street smart and easy prey. They have to be immunized against attack. To fail to do so is asking for trouble, especially in high school.

Communicate and prepare them for these kinds of dangers. We do it regarding pedophiles who lurk around the vulnerable. Your children are equally vulnerable when it comes to the cults who prey on them with as much aggression as the pedophiles in the bushes.

Blog Responses

Ed, I was in one of those "Missionary Relationships" for 18 years.  I was raised in the Christian faith and had a close relationship with the lord.   But, my parents never warned me about Mormons.  And I didn't find out that he was mormon until after the honeymoon.  He took out his 'Book of Mormon,' 'Doc and Covenants,' and his version of the 'King James Version' of the bible.  He tried to convince me that his church was the only church and that my church was apostate.  But, my gut instinct helped me argue the points he wanted to make.  First, I took him to the end of the Bible where it says not to add or take away parts from the bible.  Then, I told him, he couldn't take verses out of context and make the mean what he said they meant.  I stuck to my faith the whole time I was in the relationship.  And on Mother's Day in 1992, the lord blessed me with the 'Holy Spirit.'  I have been able to stay strong ever since.  I was able to argue that my sons had the right to choose since he lied to me.  And both of them are Christians and attend my church.  God is good when you have faith in him, no matter what happens!" Becky

Ed,I have seen it with my own eyes, witnessed the heartache, seen the confusion. Families are forever? Families are for pillaging and wrecking more like it.   Mike

Ed, "This unfortunately has happened to close friends of the family. But our girl ended up marrying him and is pregnant now with their first child. If he was a decent fellow it would be a little different, but he's actually a jerk. Her mother will probably never see the baby. Please pray for them."  Sarah

Ed, I was one of those, "stolen" from my family. I was converted to mormonism via a young man I was dating. I wish, oh I wish my parents would have done to warn me... but 19 yrs later I did come out, but without a few battle scars. This is very well written, and very true. Gloria

I have nothing against the folks in some religious group  seeking to be gods in their next life. Go for it!  Just don't claim you are Christians because in Christianity there is only one God and neither you nor I are him. There are no openings.. Job taken.

IN MORMONISM THERE ARE MANY GODS

"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it....In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." Joseph Smith, (Founder and First Prophet), History of the Church, Vol 6, pp. 308,474.

THE BIBLE: There was and is and always will be only ONE GOD! (Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:6-8, 45:5-6,18-22; Deuteronomy 6:4, 32:39; James 2:19)

MORMONISM'S GOD WAS ONCE A MAN

"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form...like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man...He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth." Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 305.

THE BIBLE; God was never a man. He created man! God has been God from all eternity to all eternity. (Psalm 41:13, 90:2, 102:25-27; Romans 1:22-23)

MORMONISM'S GOD IS LIMITED

"The universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain him as such...if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or "sense of justice" of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the "power" of God would disintegrate. He would cease to be God." W. Cleon Skousen (Former BYU Professor & founder of Mormon-based National Center For Constitutional Studies), The First 2000 Years , p. 355.

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans," Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22.

 "If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions, and therefore of limited extension and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits." James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, page 43.

THE BIBLE: God is infinite! Any other "god" is a false god. (2 Chronicles 6:18; Psalm 139:4-8; Jeremiah 23:24)

MORMONISM SAYS MAN MAY BECOME GOD

"Here then is eternal life...to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you...To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God." Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol 6, page 306.

THE BIBLE: The Great Lie of Satan from the first was that man can become a god! (Genesis 3:1-5; Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:1-10)

MRS. GOD?

"In the heaven where our spirits were born, there are many Gods, each of whom has his own wife or wives, which were given to him ...while yet in his mortal state." Orson Pratt (Apostle), The Seer, p. 37. "This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in all plainness by the First Presidency of the Church." Bruce R. McConkie (Apostle), Mormon Doctrine, p. 516.

THE BIBLE: Absolutely no mention of any "wives" of God! (Matthew 22:29,30)