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Upon These Creeds We Stand
Written by Ed Decker
Monday, 02 March 2015 22:07
Creeds have played an immense part in the support system of the very lifeblood of Christianity! Those of us who live in the marvelous latter-days era cannot comprehend their vital role in the establishment and defense of Christian Orthodoxy.
With Bibles of every size and translation neatly tucked away in virtually every home, church pew, library, hospital, airplane and hotel room, it would appear that we have more Bibles than people!
For those of us who don't like reading, we even have 24-hour Christian television and radio networks, and iPods of every kind and style.
A DIFFERENT WORLD
Try to imagine a very different world, the one in which the early Church survived, where the Bible was guarded in sacred trust and a world in which few believers were even able to read.
This was the world in which the Christian often gave up his very life for a faith in the person of Jesus Christ. Suddenly, what you believed and why you believed it became of vital importance. The exact context of Jesus' words were understood when he said, "Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God!"(Luke 12:8).
In trying to understand the historicity of the Christian Creeds, we need to understand that many of the central doctrines of the Christian faith did not become Explicitly defined until heretical teachings began to erode the Implicit simplicity of the faith.
Yet, from the very first statements of faith by the first Christians to the confession of the simple Doxology today, we see a uniformity of purpose and doctrine which we must define as Christian Orthodoxy. To step outside the general theology of these confessions must be viewed as acts of Heresy.
A SIMPLE VIEW
In a simple view, the Bible is the Word of God to man. The Creed is man's answer to God. The Bible is to be believed and obeyed. The Creed is to be professed and taught. Actually, the First Creed dealt with the fundamental Old Testament doctrine of monotheism. The Israelite Creed was distinctly the doctrine of a One and Only One God. These are the beginning words of the Shema, which you still hear today at the Western Wall of the Temple in Jerusalem. "Hear O Israel, Jehovah our Elohim, Jehovah is One . . ." (Deut. 6:4)
THE CONFESSION OF NATHANAEL
"Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God; Thou art the King of Israel (The Messiah)." (John 1:49)
CONFESSION OF PETER
"And Simon Peter, answering, said, 'Thou art the Christ (Messiah), The Son of the living God.' " (Matt 16:16)
CONFESSION OF THOMAS
Thomas answered and said unto him, 'My Lord and my God!' " (John 20:28)
THE FIRST TRINITARIAN CREED: THE BAPTISMAL FORMULA
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 28:19)
CONFESSION OF PAUL
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures . . ." (I Cor 15:1-5)
CONFESSION OF IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH, AD 107
"Be deaf, therefore, when any would speak to you apart from (at variance with) Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was descended from the family of David, born of Mary, who was truly born both of God and of the Virgin … truly took a body; for the Word became flesh and dwelt among us without sin, ate and drank truly, truly suffered persecution under Pontius Pilate, was truly, and not in appearance, crucified and died, who was truly raised from the dead, and rose after three days, his Father raising him up, and after having spent forty days with the Apostles, was received up to the Father, and sits on his right hand, waiting till his enemies are put under his feet."
CONFESSION OF IRENAEUS, AD 180
"The Church, though scattered through the whole world to the ends of the earth, has received from the Apostles and their disciples the faith in ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, who made the heavens and the earth, and the seas, and all that in them is; and in ONE JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the HOLY GHOST, who through the prophets preached the dispensations and the Advent, and his birth of the Virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the bodily assumption into heaven of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and his appearing from heaven in the glory of the Father, to comprehend all things under one head, and to raise up all flesh of all mankind, that, according to the pleasure of the Father invisible, every knee of those that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth should bow before Christ Jesus, our Lord and God and Saviour and King, and that every tongue should confess to him, and that he may execute righteous judgment over all: sending into eternal fire the spiritual powers of wickedness, and the angels who transgressed and apostatized, and the godless and unrighteous and lawless and blasphemous among men, and granting life and immortality and eternal glory to the righteous and holy, who have both kept the commandments and continued in his love, some from the beginning, some after their conversion."
He later added, "The Church, having received this preaching and this faith, as said before, though scattered throughout the whole world, zealously preserves it as one household . . . and unanimously preaches and teaches the same, and hands it down as by one mouth; for although there are different dialects in the world, the power of the tradition is one and the same."
CONFESSION OF TERTULLIAN, AD 200
The Rule of Faith is altogether one, sole, immovable, and irreformable -- namely, to believe in ONE GOD ALMIGHTY, the Maker of the world; and his SON, JESUS CHRIST, born of the Virgin Mary, crucified under Pontius Pilate, on the third day raised again from the dead, received in the heavens, sitting now at the right hand of the Father, coming to judge the quick and the dead, also through the resurrection of the flesh."
THE APOSTLES CREED, AD 340
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried; He descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; the Holy Christian Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen.
THE NICENE CREED, AD 381
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, By whom all things were made;
Who for us men and our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets. And I believe one holy Christian and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one Baptism unto the remission of sins, And I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
A VOICE OF WARNING
"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ." (Ephesians 4:14-15)
"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; inasmuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." (Matt 24:24-26)
There are Gods many and Lords many. Do not get them mixed up.
Written by Ed Decker
Wednesday, 04 February 2015 00:42
There are Gods many and Lords many.
Do not get them mixed up.
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8
A number of years ago, names lost to my aging memory, I was contacted by a ministry in Canada They were very troubled by my claim that Allah and the Biblical God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob were not the same. The man calling said that they were producing “Muslim” New Testaments and in order to not offend them, it was essential that they replace all references to God with the name of Allah, the Islamic name of God. They also felt that they needed to change all references to Jesus with the Muslim name, 'Isa. My first thought was that if they were going to preach the real gospel to them, they would have to be offended.
After a lengthy back and forth dialogue where I showed them the absolute error of their changes, they agreed that their publishing such a book would water down the true gospel to the effect of negating their witness of the true nature of the trinity; God, His son Jesus and the function and person of the Holy Spirit.
In the years that have followed, numerous ministries have tried to sanitize the gospel to the extent that it is not offensive to Muslims, but their approach has been to play on what appears to be common threads between the two religions.
I am not talking about giving alms to the poor and such things. I am talking about playing name games with the nature and person of the triune God of the Bible. To do such, in my opinion is blasphemy.
Recently, the subject of rewriting scripture to suit Islamic sensitivities came up again and I did a little web searching. One blog was clear about it. The NTEB group reported:
A controversy is brewing over three reputable Christian organizations, which are based in North America, whose efforts have ousted the words “Father” and “Son” from new Bibles. Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers are under fire for “producing Bibles that remove “Father,” “Son” and “Son of God” because these terms are offensive to Muslims.” January 28, 2012
In most of the cases that I have looked into, the Christian who makes the attempt usually is doing it from the outside, in. That is to say, they take the gospel and redefine the key elements of the Christian faith and sanitize them enough that they pass first inspection by the Muslim who has a totally different understanding and clearly opposing definitions of these compromised words. What the Christian has failed to do is to not come from the outside, in but to approach this from the inside, out. In simpler words, that Christina is trying to present Christian theology in Islamic terms.
The problem with that is the words have entirely different meanings to the Muslim and you are talking about apples while holding out an orange.
You need to come to the Christian theology from the Islamic point of view and by mixing up the words and their double meanings, you just bring confusion to the table.
You first have to understand that the Islamic understanding of Allah rarely coincides with the Christian understanding of God, the Father.
When you describe the first attributes of the Biblical God to a Muslim, even using their supposed name of God, you get a stare down and total confusion.
When you tell a Muslim that Allah gave his only begotten son, Isa, to die on the cross for that Muslim’s sins, you have stated something that is an impossibility for the Islamic Allah to ever have done.
If you tell the Muslim that Isa was crucified, dead and buried and then rose from the dead on the third day and ascended to sit at the right hand of Allah, you have lost him. Be lucky that you are not stoned or beheaded for blasphemy. If you are in a Muslim county count it to the good if all you get is 100 lashings and a prison sentence.
The entire issue revolves around the actual theology of Islam and that of orthodox Christianity. Obviously, both stem from the old testament people and their relationship with God..
First it is necessary that we look at when the division of the two people groups took place.
God clearly said that while he would make a great nation of Ishmael, and he would be blessed, he stated that His covenant, however, was with and through Isaac. God had also foretold of the combative, wild nature of Ismael and his generations. He said that he would be a wild man and that he and his generations would be at war against every man or nation.
This is probably the most direct description of the Islamic people who worship and adore the prophet Mohammed, an exact replica of Ishmael, the illegitimate child of Abraham and Hagar.
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Gen 17: 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
So, before we even get into the two theologies, we already see that each group had its separate relationship with God and that God’s covenant was with Isaac and his generations, not with Ishmael.
The God of the Bible exists outside creation and the the Muslim Allah is a stone, a small to medium , crescent meteor rock. Hence the depiction of the crescent moon on most if not all Muslim nations' flags and the literature of the Muslim faith. It represents the Moon Deity.
A meteorite is a piece of iron, stone, or stony-iron composite that has fallen to Earth from outer space. Most meteorites originated within the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter, and were once part of a planet or large asteroid. A few meteorites come from the Moon and Mars, and a few others may possibly be fragments of comets.
This Allah god does not represent the God who created the moon and all the heavens nor does it represent the God who gave his only begotten son...for our sins and through him gave us the gift of eternal life.
Allah is a god who requires that man give their sons to him in martyrdom.. a total reverse of Who God is and what He asks of us.
The Jewish people are beloved of the God of the Bible, in spite of their many sins. The Jewish people and their Christian offspring are cursed of Allah and their holy book, the Koran calls for their deaths and even the youngest of the Muslim world are taught to hate and despise Jews and Christians.
Leaving dozens of other scriptures aside, the Biblical God tells us to love our enemies., a doctrine that is unheard of in Islam. In Islam they are to convert by their word or kill by the sword.
Islam says it is a good thing to kill a daughter, an killing of honor, should that daughter dishonor the Muslim father by doing any one of a hundred things offensive to Allah. In Christianity, our God teaches the principle of forgiveness. A process rarely if a ever seen in Islamic dogma.
In Christianity, heaven is a wonderful place, to be in the presence of Christ.. In Islam one gets to that heaven by a lifetime of works, especially in terrorist deaths where the Muslim is able to kill innocent Jews with a bomb strapped to the waist. In fact, that martyr gets a eternal supply of virgins to satisfy his every need.
To the Christian, Jesus is God come in the flesh, He is the Aplha and the Omega, He is the way the Truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except though him..
In Islam, Isa’ was not the son of God, not born of a virgin, not hung on cross, not raised from the dead, is not our advocate with the Father, not the way to salvation. He is a prophet who pointed to the last and true prophet, Mohammed. He may return, but only as a witness of Mohammed.
Different god, different gospel, different Jesus, totally different world view. There is one God above all gods and idols and the God of the Bible is above and beyond this false moon deity god and to use our God’s name as synonymous with Allah is pure blasphemy.
Please go to the following site, where you can download my podcast teachings on this subject and download at least a dozen sets of comprehensive support documents on this subject.
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Written by Ed Decker
Wednesday, 17 December 2014 20:28
Allah is a pagan idol.. Not another name for God
When Rick Warren recently joined with the Pope [Warren referred to him as, Our Pope] in announcing that Allah a was just another name for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and us, I knew that I would have to say something about it.
First, they are in abhorrent error. Secondly, they are leading a whole lot of people into believing a terribly false teaching. At best it is some perverted form of ecumenical foolishness.
Third, they have fallen for the glib lies of religious/political schemers dedicated to the conversion or destruction of every Jew and Christian on earth, not to leave out the Buddhists, Hindus and atheists standing on the sidelines. Let me put a little background to this.
The culture of Mohammed's world was very animistic. Every Arab tribe had its sacred magic stone(s) that they believed protected the tribe, resident in the Kaaba. All the nomadic tribes had their own tribal deities.
The dominant religion just prior to Mohammed was Sabianism, a religion in which heavenly bodies were worshipped. The moon was viewed as a male deity, and they used a lunar calendar. Their pagan rite of fasting began with the appearance of the crescent moon. Fasting was later adopted as one of the five pillars of faith of Islam. Fasting, based on the lunar calendar, in the ninth month of Ramadan already pre-existed in the Arab culture before Mohammed was even born.
When Mohammed was born in Mecca in 570 AD, the black Kaaba was the religious center of all Arabia. In Mohammed’s day, approximately 360 tribal idols were worshipped there in that great courtyard. One of those deities or Allahs was the god of the Quarish tribe, of which Mohammed was a member. When the Quarish tribe took control of Mecca, all the idols except Allah, the idol of their tribe, were destroyed.
The Koran tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; his idol was now the only god and he was its messenger. But he kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37)
This Muslim Allah is a stone, a small to medium black crescent meteor rock. Hence the depictions of the crescent moon on most if not all Muslim nations' flags and the literature of the Muslim faith. It represents this Moon Deity, now commonly called Allah.
Mohammed's magical black stone was kissed in those early days, when people came on their pilgrimages and worshipped at the Kaaba. It was probably an asteroid or a meteorite, a moonstone, which they viewed as being divine.
A meteorite is a piece of iron, stone, or stony-iron composite that has fallen to Earth from outer space. Most meteorites originated within the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter, and were once part of a planet or large asteroid. A few meteorites come from the Moon and Mars, and a few others may possibly be fragments of comets. It certainly does not represent the God who created the moon, mars and the asteroid belt from which this Allah rock originated.
The central prayer or declaration of Islam, to this day, is: There is no God but [this] Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.”
In that declaration, This Moon deity, Allah, is raised up above and apart from the Biblical God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is no confusion on their part. Let’s look at their declaration of faith. The Five Pillars of the Muslim faith include,
Affirmation: “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger” which is recited constantly by devout Muslims.
The Fast: Faithful Muslims fast from dawn to dusk every day during the ninth month of the Islamic calendar, Ramadan, which is sacred.
Almsgiving: A worthy Muslim must give 2.5% of his income to the poor.
Prayer: Muslims are required to pray five times a day, kneeling and facing Mecca.
The Pilgrimage: Muslims are expected to journey to Mecca at least once in their lifetime.
Let’s look at these items a bit more closely and from the Biblical perspective. Muslims must kneel on their prayer rug five times a day.
They must bow down and face Mecca, where this idol, Allah is kept in its sacred abode. They must pray and recite the required affirmation that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.
Every year, Mecca continues to be filled with masses of pilgrims who parade around the Kaaba, bowing down and worshipping Allah. They know their idol is there in that sacred black box. Some sell all they own just to fulfill that last requirement of the Fifth pillar of their faith. This is an extremely tangible look at the complete separation of that religion from any other form of faith.
In a further look at the complete separation of Islam from any Biblical kinship, it is basic Islamic ideology that the world is divided into two: The Islamic “Dar e-Salaam” or House of Islam or House of Peace. Opposing this “Dar e-Salaam” is the “Dar e-Harb” or House of War into which all infidels fall.
There can be no peace for Islam until the entire “Dar e-Harb” falls to the “Dar e-Salaam”. So this is a fight to the finish. Islam must be victorious or be vanquished. There can be no effective defense against Islam or any effective Christian outreach to its people until we understand this volatile religious challenger of our faith and our way of life.
In the Bible, Moses was given the Ten Commandments directly from God. Ten critical things were listed. The first two clearly defined who and what we were to worship, to bow down to, to honor as our God.
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Verses Three through five clearly condemn Islam as a false religion, and certainly no kin or cousin to the Jew or Christian. Muslims continue to have the iniquities of their fathers visited upon them to this day.
It is my belief that the Rick Warrens and Popes of this day will bear the terrible wrath of a jealous God and this compromise of the gospel will wreak havoc across the nations.
I posted an article recently that talked of our government bringing about 75,000 Muslims to the United States from Syria. Several responded and said, “wonderful. It will bring them here where we can lead them to Jesus.”
My response was, “How many have you led to the Lord that are already here? Based on the numbers, extremely few and there are probably several thousand within that number who are jihadists, hundreds who are terrorists..
Truth is, the Muslims in the USA are about the least assimilated people group ever to come to the United States. They live within their own an within their own laws. They defy assimilation.
Yet, while the government seeks out every vestige of Christianity on the public scene and write laws to punish Christians for any sign of living their faith in business or charity, the same government bows to every whim and religious practice of the Muslims amongst us. I need not give you a list. It grows every day. Just check the morning news.
Christian friends and pastors. Do not fall prey to this terrible deception. Preach the error of it, speak against its battle to the death of our faith and be bold. Never compromise. In that day when the He separates the sheep and the goats, be among the true believers.
Another side if the Ferguson Issue.. What if...
Written by Ed Decker
Tuesday, 02 December 2014 00:48
Another side of the Ferguson issue. What if..
It was early Thanksgiving evening and I was watching the Seahawks shut down the Forty Niners. It was a good game considering we have been Seahawks fans for years.
One of the Seahawks sacked the Niner QB and I was reflecting on what even a large guy like Colin Kaepernick must have felt like when some huge guy slammed him into the ground.
That somehow brought me back to the events that led up to the shooting of Michael Brown and the riots that all but destroyed the city of Ferguson. I know most minds do not work in that way, but I am old and mine just does.
There was a black player about the same size as Michael Brown being paid millions of dollars a year to attack quarterbacks or anybody else on the field in a different colored jersey.
And there was Michael Brown, dead in the street after a no-win confrontation with a white policeman. What was the difference?
Well, I would imagine that the millionaire on the playing field went through high school played on its football team where he must have excelled. He then picked up a full scholarship for college, made the grades to graduate and because he was an excellent, determined player. After graduating, he made it through the draft and ended up being paid a huge amount of money to sack Colin Kaepernick on Thanksgiving Day, 2014.
We can assume that the millionaire guy didn’t get there all by himself, but had encouragement and direction in his life from parents, schools, teachers, coaches, other players and friends. He had a goal in his life that overshadowed self indulgence and distractions. He worked hard and long to be on the defensive front line that day. His life was and is a determined one.
Looking at Michael Brown and his path to that street and death seems to have been a different one. From what I have read [and I may be wrong here], it would appear that he had none of those things like a family involved in his education and helping him establish life goals.
What if he finished school? What if he was a committed football team player who made a difference on the field? What if he had coaches and teachers who mentored him? What if he didn’t hang with the wrong crowd?
What if he earned a scholarship to college? What if he made it through college as a good student and outstanding athlete? What if he was drafted into the NFL? What if we were watching him on the football field on Thanksgiving Day?
Is there any sense to this essay? The truth is that it is next to impossible to change the path chosen by a youth when they are young adults. We are losing the Michael Browns of the world in pre-school, when they have no fathers to hold them and love them and tell them how great their lives can be. Or a mother who is so overworked or shut down that she has no time for her kids.
We are losing them when there are no teachers who have the time or concern to bring out the joy of life and education in them. We lose them when they only find acceptance in gangs instead of church or sports. We lose them when there are no coaches to mentor them.
What we have is an American tragedy of epic scale. And it isn’t going to change a single child by looting and burning or accusing or excusing. It can only change when fathers become something more than impregnators and mothers stop believing what is whispered in the ear and instead focus on the life of her family instead.
You may ask, “What does this white guy know about any of this?” Fact is, I do know a lot about it. I grew up poor, in a poor family, an alcoholic father, working from the time I could mow a lawn or shovel snow, or carry groceries.
My Christmas presents were not like the gifts of today. I would get a set of three socks, or a sweater or two airs of underwear. One year, I got an old used radio.
In high school, I worked the standard 48 hours workweek at a grocery store and then filled in any days off at a deli, running up and down tenement stairs to deliver food. I held three jobs in order to work my way through college at a land grant school, where the tuition was low.
My secret was a mother and older sister who kept telling me what I could become if I didn’t let myself become sidelined by self-interests that were probably more satisfying than working, by whose pleasures were fleeting. They were there when I was just beginning my life and were still there encouraging me until the day they went to Heaven.
We need to re-adjust our national thinking and start getting this thing right. If someone had, maybe Michael Brown would not have been where he was on that fateful day. Maybe the church needs a wake-up call?
Is There Corn and Wine in your Zoin?
Written by Ed Decker
Thursday, 20 November 2014 19:51
To drink or not to drink. That is the curious question. What does the Bible say about this?
I was a Mormon for almost 20 years, forbidden to drink wine, coffee, tea or anything else I had enjoyed as a heathen Episcopalian
I became a born again Christian in a Church that taught wine drinking …and beer and other alcoholic beverages were sin. I want to talk about that one mentioned so often in scripture.
Not much of a problem since I had been abstaining for 20 years already.
One day, some years back, I was having a meal with a leader in another mainline church, when the server asked us if we would like a nice wine to go with the meal and he launched into a “That is such a sin!” tirade that I almost got up and left the restaurant.
When I suggested that Jesus drank wine, He claimed quite avidly that the beverage Jesus and the Disciples drank was an unfermented wine. In other words, grape juice.
Recently, the subject came up again and I did some Bible reading
Wine is mentioned 233 times in the Bible. At no time is wine called a sine any more than money is called sin.
The 233 references deal with the use of it or the abstinence from it for certain men and certain times.
197 Old Testament
36 in New Testament
To believe or declare that Jesus’ first miracle was to convert water to grape juice is to defy the Word of God, and deal with the word fully out of context, that means being a false teacher.
Read the following scriptures and substitute grape juice or unfermented wine?? Silly, isn’t it. What sense would there being serving the good grape juice at a wedding and then bringing out the cheap juice after the guests have had enough good grape juice to not notice the w switch later one. And then the reverse when Jesus filled the jars with the very best grape juice??
I know the scripture about being a stumbling block to others. I have lived with that principle throughout my church leadership and pastoral life.
However, to refrain from drinking a glass of wine at dinner because it is sin does not line up with God’s Word.
The scripture clearly explains that moderation is the key to the use of wine. Yet almost every church makes it part of the sin life from which we must repent and flee.
So, who is right and why?
What is your pastoral stance on this and your justification for it?
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. John 4:46
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;1 Timothy 3:3
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1 Timothy 3:8
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;1 Timothy 5:23
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
All scripture from King James Version (KJV)
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